[lubuntu-users] Does a default Lubuntu dark theme exist?

[s***@riseup.net]

I'm playing a bit with the themes and icons and i can't really find a
nice dark theme. That also has themed the grey window borders.

Lubuntu-dark-panel isn't exactly dark.

I now have dark panel configured with the natura color theme and that
has a nice feel to it though the grey is still keeping it very bright.

And if i manually change the colors how do i then save the theme so that
i can share my config?
I mean where should the theme be saved? When i press the "create a
theme archive .obt" button it wants me to select a directory where to
store it, why doesn't is in point already to the directory? What
directory should that be? Whatever location i choose, it does not
accept my choice.

[Simon Quigley]

Adding Rafael Laguna, our artwork guy.

I would personally love a dark theme, but from what I remember, that is
a thing of the past. Could you explain, Rafael?

Post by s***@riseup.net
I'm playing a bit with the themes and icons and i can't really find a
nice dark theme. That also has themed the grey window borders.
Lubuntu-dark-panel isn't exactly dark.
I now have dark panel configured with the natura color theme and that
has a nice feel to it though the grey is still keeping it very bright.
And if i manually change the colors how do i then save the theme so that
i can share my config?
I mean where should the theme be saved? When i press the "create a
theme archive .obt" button it wants me to select a directory where to
store it, why doesn't is in point already to the directory? What
directory should that be? Whatever location i choose, it does not
accept my choice.

[s***@riseup.net]

I have fiddled a somewhat ok-ish dark theme together

But still haven't figured out how to save or export it so that I can
share it

The result so far:
https://postimg.org/image/79u5gh2el/


Based on clearlooks + humanity + natura, I also tried with Lubuntu dark
panel but that has a blue border that i cant customise yet

But this clearlooks is actually not bad for a first attempt..

Post by Simon Quigley
Adding Rafael Laguna, our artwork guy.
I would personally love a dark theme, but from what I remember, that is
a thing of the past. Could you explain, Rafael?

Post by s***@riseup.net
I'm playing a bit with the themes and icons and i can't really find a
nice dark theme. That also has themed the grey window borders.
Lubuntu-dark-panel isn't exactly dark.
I now have dark panel configured with the natura color theme and that
has a nice feel to it though the grey is still keeping it very bright.
And if i manually change the colors how do i then save the theme so that
i can share my config?
I mean where should the theme be saved? When i press the "create a
theme archive .obt" button it wants me to select a directory where to
store it, why doesn't is in point already to the directory? What
directory should that be? Whatever location i choose, it does not
accept my choice.

[Rafael Laguna]

Yes, Simon, the dark-ish theme is deprecated now for several reasons.
We tried shipping a dark panel theme with light windows and (inverted)
white icons. But there were some problems with it:

- the theme needed too many updates, and we don't have the resources
Ubuntu has for maintaining both themes

- after several GTK & app icons updates, some glyphs had to be
constantly re-written (specially the system tray ones) and we can't,
obviously, cover the entire app ecosystem (every theme out there lacks
some app icons)

- LXDE is constantly changing and evolving and that's a problem for us,
the artwork people. See, for example, the language applet. At first we
used a single applet icon for it, then the flags appeared and we needed
to make 164 new glyphs for every language and resolution (keep in mind
having to duplicate all of them in white colour), and then we changed
to Fcitex, all that work is useless now (again, more icons)

That's why Lubuntu theme (the only one) is the only pre-installed,
depending on Gnome icons (they keep those glyphs updated so we can
focus on apps) and same with GTK. Also, a distro usually uses just one
theme, that visually identifies the system, and it can't be the perfect
match for every user. And that's where Linux tops over other OSes,
letting you to customise at any level.

Anyway, if you want to get back the semi-dark theme, you can grab the
GTK [1] and icon [2] themes (I released them to allow any user to
continue or fork them), or even download new ones from Gnome-Look [3].
Sorry if this isn't what you expected to hear, but we're doing a big
effort to keep the Lubuntu overall looking nice, specially now we're
porting everything to Qt, using a new syntax, new apps new controls and
almost re-doing it from scratch.

Thanks for understanding.

[1] https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1013337
[2] https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1011980
[3] https://www.gnome-look.org/search?projectSearchText=lubuntu

Post by Simon Quigley
Adding Rafael Laguna, our artwork guy.
I would personally love a dark theme, but from what I remember, that is
a thing of the past. Could you explain, Rafael?

Post by s***@riseup.net
I'm playing a bit with the themes and icons and i can't really find a
nice dark theme. That also has themed the grey window borders.
Lubuntu-dark-panel isn't exactly dark.
I now have dark panel configured with the natura color theme and that
has a nice feel to it though the grey is still keeping it very bright.
And if i manually change the colors how do i then save the theme so that
i can share my config?
I mean where should the theme be saved?  When i press the "create a
theme archive .obt" button it wants me to select a directory where to
store it, why doesn't is in point already to the directory? What
directory should that be?  Whatever location i choose, it does not
accept my choice.

[Andre Campos Rodovalho]

Qt migration is a huge job!
As a user, I would like to thank you guys for all effort...
Hope Lubuntu continue to evolve, and also the team to get bigger!

Post by Rafael Laguna
Yes, Simon, the dark-ish theme is deprecated now for several reasons.
We tried shipping a dark panel theme with light windows and (inverted)
- the theme needed too many updates, and we don't have the resources
Ubuntu has for maintaining both themes
- after several GTK & app icons updates, some glyphs had to be
constantly re-written (specially the system tray ones) and we can't,
obviously, cover the entire app ecosystem (every theme out there lacks
some app icons)
- LXDE is constantly changing and evolving and that's a problem for us,
the artwork people. See, for example, the language applet. At first we
used a single applet icon for it, then the flags appeared and we needed
to make 164 new glyphs for every language and resolution (keep in mind
having to duplicate all of them in white colour), and then we changed
to Fcitex, all that work is useless now (again, more icons)
That's why Lubuntu theme (the only one) is the only pre-installed,
depending on Gnome icons (they keep those glyphs updated so we can
focus on apps) and same with GTK. Also, a distro usually uses just one
theme, that visually identifies the system, and it can't be the perfect
match for every user. And that's where Linux tops over other OSes,
letting you to customise at any level.
Anyway, if you want to get back the semi-dark theme, you can grab the
GTK [1] and icon [2] themes (I released them to allow any user to
continue or fork them), or even download new ones from Gnome-Look [3].
Sorry if this isn't what you expected to hear, but we're doing a big
effort to keep the Lubuntu overall looking nice, specially now we're
porting everything to Qt, using a new syntax, new apps new controls and
almost re-doing it from scratch.
Thanks for understanding.
[1] https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1013337
[2] https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1011980
[3] https://www.gnome-look.org/search?projectSearchText=lubuntu

Post by Simon Quigley
Adding Rafael Laguna, our artwork guy.
I would personally love a dark theme, but from what I remember, that is
a thing of the past. Could you explain, Rafael?

Post by s***@riseup.net
I'm playing a bit with the themes and icons and i can't really find a
nice dark theme. That also has themed the grey window borders.
Lubuntu-dark-panel isn't exactly dark.
I now have dark panel configured with the natura color theme and that
has a nice feel to it though the grey is still keeping it very bright.
And if i manually change the colors how do i then save the theme so that
i can share my config?
I mean where should the theme be saved? When i press the "create a
theme archive .obt" button it wants me to select a directory where to
store it, why doesn't is in point already to the directory? What
directory should that be? Whatever location i choose, it does not
accept my choice.

--
Rafael Laguna
Graphics & UIX Design · www.rafaellaguna.net
Lubuntu Artwork Team · Ubuntu Design Team
--
Lubuntu-users mailing list
Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/
mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users

[Israel]

+1
I look forward to LXQt being the default experience one day soon :)

Post by Andre Campos Rodovalho
Qt migration is a huge job!
As a user, I would like to thank you guys for all effort...
Hope Lubuntu continue to evolve, and also the team to get bigger!
2016-08-30 16:06 GMT-03:00 Rafael Laguna
Yes, Simon, the dark-ish theme is deprecated now for several reasons.
We tried shipping a dark panel theme with light windows and (inverted)
- the theme needed too many updates, and we don't have the resources
Ubuntu has for maintaining both themes
- after several GTK & app icons updates, some glyphs had to be
constantly re-written (specially the system tray ones) and we can't,
obviously, cover the entire app ecosystem (every theme out there lacks
some app icons)
- LXDE is constantly changing and evolving and that's a problem for us,
the artwork people. See, for example, the language applet. At first we
used a single applet icon for it, then the flags appeared and we needed
to make 164 new glyphs for every language and resolution (keep in mind
having to duplicate all of them in white colour), and then we changed
to Fcitex, all that work is useless now (again, more icons)
That's why Lubuntu theme (the only one) is the only pre-installed,
depending on Gnome icons (they keep those glyphs updated so we can
focus on apps) and same with GTK. Also, a distro usually uses just one
theme, that visually identifies the system, and it can't be the perfect
match for every user. And that's where Linux tops over other OSes,
letting you to customise at any level.
Anyway, if you want to get back the semi-dark theme, you can grab the
GTK [1] and icon [2] themes (I released them to allow any user to
continue or fork them), or even download new ones from Gnome-Look [3].
Sorry if this isn't what you expected to hear, but we're doing a big
effort to keep the Lubuntu overall looking nice, specially now we're
porting everything to Qt, using a new syntax, new apps new
controls and
almost re-doing it from scratch.
Thanks for understanding.
[1] https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1013337
<https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1013337>
[2] https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1011980
<https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1011980>
[3] https://www.gnome-look.org/search?projectSearchText=lubuntu
<https://www.gnome-look.org/search?projectSearchText=lubuntu>

Post by Simon Quigley
Adding Rafael Laguna, our artwork guy.
I would personally love a dark theme, but from what I remember, that is
a thing of the past. Could you explain, Rafael?

Post by s***@riseup.net
I'm playing a bit with the themes and icons and i can't really

find

Post by Simon Quigley

Post by s***@riseup.net
a
nice dark theme. That also has themed the grey window borders.
Lubuntu-dark-panel isn't exactly dark.
I now have dark panel configured with the natura color theme and that
has a nice feel to it though the grey is still keeping it very bright.
And if i manually change the colors how do i then save the

theme so

Post by Simon Quigley

Post by s***@riseup.net
that
i can share my config?
I mean where should the theme be saved? When i press the

"create a

Post by Simon Quigley

Post by s***@riseup.net
theme archive .obt" button it wants me to select a directory where to
store it, why doesn't is in point already to the directory? What
directory should that be? Whatever location i choose, it does not
accept my choice.

--
Rafael Laguna
Graphics & UIX Design · www.rafaellaguna.net
<http://www.rafaellaguna.net>
Lubuntu Artwork Team · Ubuntu Design Team
--
Lubuntu-users mailing list
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
<https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users>

[s***@riseup.net]

What can a user without coding skills do to help along?

Post by Israel
+1
I look forward to LXQt being the default experience one day soon :)

Post by Andre Campos Rodovalho
Qt migration is a huge job!
As a user, I would like to thank you guys for all effort...
Hope Lubuntu continue to evolve, and also the team to get bigger!

[Simon Quigley]

Post by s***@riseup.net
What can a user without coding skills do to help along?

Are you talking about LXQt?

[s***@riseup.net]

Post by Simon Quigley

Post by s***@riseup.net
What can a user without coding skills do to help along?

Are you talking about LXQt?

Yes,

To help with stuff to get the LXQt based theme forward. I kind of see
the importance to have the choice of themes now that I have some
feedback from someone who has a significantly improved user experience.

But i don't want to get in the way with too many questions, i'm not even
sure if this is going to be my thing. But code might be the thing that
kills one life of this curious cat. :-)

[Simon Quigley]

Rafael is the head of the artwork team, that's his department. :)

(CCing him so he can explain)

Post by s***@riseup.net

Post by Simon Quigley

Post by s***@riseup.net
What can a user without coding skills do to help along?

Are you talking about LXQt?

Yes,
To help with stuff to get the LXQt based theme forward. I kind of see
the importance to have the choice of themes now that I have some
feedback from someone who has a significantly improved user experience.
But i don't want to get in the way with too many questions, i'm not even
sure if this is going to be my thing. But code might be the thing that
kills one life of this curious cat. :-)

[Mark F]

I'd be interesting in knowing how to make a theme, what all goes into it
(like the glyphs Rafael mentioned, I've never heard of that). I'd be
willing to try to document it into a wiki page (if something like that
doesn't exist already).

I googled for "how to make a theme for LXDE" and found this LXDE wiki page
<http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Desktop_Design>. It links to this OpenBox wiki page
<http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Themes> with a lot of detailed info (no
mention of glyphs). I'm poking through that to see if I can absorb anything.

Post by Simon Quigley
Rafael is the head of the artwork team, that's his department. :)
(CCing him so he can explain)

Post by s***@riseup.net

Post by Simon Quigley

Post by s***@riseup.net
What can a user without coding skills do to help along?

Are you talking about LXQt?

Yes,
To help with stuff to get the LXQt based theme forward. I kind of see
the importance to have the choice of themes now that I have some
feedback from someone who has a significantly improved user experience.
But i don't want to get in the way with too many questions, i'm not even
sure if this is going to be my thing. But code might be the thing that
kills one life of this curious cat. :-)

--
Simon Quigley
tsimonq2 on freenode and OFTC
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[s***@riseup.net]

Post by Mark F
I'd be interesting in knowing how to make a theme, what all goes into it
(like the glyphs Rafael mentioned, I've never heard of that). I'd be
willing to try to document it into a wiki page (if something like that
doesn't exist already).
I googled for "how to make a theme for LXDE" and found this LXDE wiki page
<http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Desktop_Design>. It links to this OpenBox wiki page
<http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Themes> with a lot of detailed info (no
mention of glyphs). I'm poking through that to see if I can absorb anything.

I'm tagging allong, and roughly read
<http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Themes>

This all looks doable...

but where does LXQt come into the picture?

https://github.com/lxde/lxqt/wiki/Themes
https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=LXQt_Theming

Can LXQt themes already be used in 16.04?

Post by Mark F

Post by Simon Quigley
Rafael is the head of the artwork team, that's his department. :)
(CCing him so he can explain)

Post by s***@riseup.net

Post by Simon Quigley

Post by s***@riseup.net
What can a user without coding skills do to help along?

Are you talking about LXQt?

Yes,
To help with stuff to get the LXQt based theme forward. I kind of see
the importance to have the choice of themes now that I have some
feedback from someone who has a significantly improved user experience.
But i don't want to get in the way with too many questions, i'm not even
sure if this is going to be my thing. But code might be the thing that
kills one life of this curious cat. :-)

--
Simon Quigley
tsimonq2 on freenode and OFTC
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[Walter Lapchynski]

Post by s***@riseup.net
What can a user without coding skills do to help along?

Lots of testing, bug reporting, and bug triage. Join lubuntu-devel and find
out!

[Simon Quigley]

We're working hard on getting LXQt ready, so I look forward to it as well. :)

I've been using LXQt for the past few months and there's a few things I really like about LXQt. I'll share those in a blog post once we finally work out issues with lubuntu-default-settings (our current roadblock, upstream needs to make it easier for downstream to use custom configs) and I get an MP approved with all of the new default settings.

That is why on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt it says not to install the package yet, because the default settings provided are not the best (for example, the panel menu (for lack of a better word) doesn't have log out or shut down buttons! eek!).

So it's a work in progress but it's going. :)

If you want to say hello on IRC, here is a link to a client with no captcha (I link this to people either way but that's an added bonus for scrooyahoo ;) ) but it does require you to not use Tor (although most VPNs *do* work). https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#lubuntu-devel

In addition, as Walter said, join the lubuntu-devel list if you want to help out Lubuntu. We could always need more help! :)

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-devel

When I get a minute in the next few days (school starting tomorrow :/), I'll update the LXQt wiki page with places I see people can help, and I encourage other members of the Lubuntu team to fill our areas on that page to show what needs to be done on your side of things for LXQt.

Thanks everyone! :)
--
Simon Quigley
***@ubuntu.com
tsimonq2 on freenode and OFTC

[Simon Quigley]

A quick correction.

Post by Simon Quigley
We're working hard on getting LXQt ready, so I look forward to it as well. :)
I've been using LXQt for the past few months and there's a few things I really like about LXQt. I'll share those in a blog post once we finally work out issues with lubuntu-default-settings (our current roadblock, upstream needs to make it easier for downstream to use custom configs) and I get an MP approved with all of the new default settings.

By the way, MP = Merge Proposal. I have to set the default settings then
allow the changes to be proposed against the existing settings.

[Mark F]

FWIW: I found a couple *nice* examples of LXQt desktops if people want to
see it:

LXQt on Ubuntu:

https://intialonso.github.io/


LXQt on Manjaro:

https://manjaro.github.io/Manjaro-Lxqt-16.05-released/


Those are .iso distros people can be install in VirtualBox to see how it
looks, how it was themed, etc.

I wouldn't rely on those as my regular desktop. They're not official
distros. Just something community members created.

Post by Simon Quigley
We're working hard on getting LXQt ready, so I look forward to it as well. :)
I've been using LXQt for the past few months and there's a few things I
really like about LXQt. I'll share those in a blog post once we finally
work out issues with lubuntu-default-settings (our current roadblock,
upstream needs to make it easier for downstream to use custom configs) and
I get an MP approved with all of the new default settings.
That is why on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt it says not to
install the package yet, because the default settings provided are not the
best (for example, the panel menu (for lack of a better word) doesn't have
log out or shut down buttons! eek!).
So it's a work in progress but it's going. :)
If you want to say hello on IRC, here is a link to a client with no
captcha (I link this to people either way but that's an added bonus for
scrooyahoo ;) ) but it does require you to not use Tor (although most VPNs
*do* work). https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#lubuntu-devel
In addition, as Walter said, join the lubuntu-devel list if you want to
help out Lubuntu. We could always need more help! :)
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-devel
When I get a minute in the next few days (school starting tomorrow :/),
I'll update the LXQt wiki page with places I see people can help, and I
encourage other members of the Lubuntu team to fill our areas on that page
to show what needs to be done on your side of things for LXQt.
Thanks everyone! :)
--
Simon Quigley
tsimonq2 on freenode and OFTC
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an/listinfo/lubuntu-users

[s***@riseup.net]

Hi Mark,

Post by Mark F
FWIW: I found a couple *nice* examples of LXQt desktops if people want to
https://intialonso.github.io/

I have installed thisone in a VM and at first glance there are only a
few minor things missising.
The option to 'stretch the spacer' (this seems to be an important one
for me)
Some dialogs don't fit on a 800x600 VM screen. (just a bit annoying)
Some mouse cursor tooltips have their 'selection point' at an odd spot.
(not sure is i explain in the correct words)
If the hardware powerbutton can be used to send the power off signal
then the missing GUI power button may not even be an issue

And it would be nice if the custom colour pallet would/could be saved.
This pallet functionality behaves a bit odd / non-intuitive.


This LXQt is kinda nice :-)

[Aere Greenway]

Post by s***@riseup.net
Some dialogs don't fit on a 800x600 VM screen.

Remember that with Linux, you can first press and hold the "Alt" key,
then left-click (and hold) anywhere in the dialog, and drag the dialog
so that you can see the missing/obscured part.

On Windows, you can only click and drag on the title-bar.

[Nio Wiklund]

+1

Post by Israel
+1
I look forward to LXQt being the default experience one day soon :)

Post by Andre Campos Rodovalho
Qt migration is a huge job!
As a user, I would like to thank you guys for all effort...
Hope Lubuntu continue to evolve, and also the team to get bigger!
2016-08-30 16:06 GMT-03:00 Rafael Laguna
Yes, Simon, the dark-ish theme is deprecated now for several reasons.
We tried shipping a dark panel theme with light windows and (inverted)
- the theme needed too many updates, and we don't have the resources
Ubuntu has for maintaining both themes
- after several GTK & app icons updates, some glyphs had to be
constantly re-written (specially the system tray ones) and we can't,
obviously, cover the entire app ecosystem (every theme out there lacks
some app icons)
- LXDE is constantly changing and evolving and that's a problem for us,
the artwork people. See, for example, the language applet. At first we
used a single applet icon for it, then the flags appeared and we needed
to make 164 new glyphs for every language and resolution (keep in mind
having to duplicate all of them in white colour), and then we changed
to Fcitex, all that work is useless now (again, more icons)
That's why Lubuntu theme (the only one) is the only pre-installed,
depending on Gnome icons (they keep those glyphs updated so we can
focus on apps) and same with GTK. Also, a distro usually uses just one
theme, that visually identifies the system, and it can't be the perfect
match for every user. And that's where Linux tops over other OSes,
letting you to customise at any level.
Anyway, if you want to get back the semi-dark theme, you can grab the
GTK [1] and icon [2] themes (I released them to allow any user to
continue or fork them), or even download new ones from Gnome-Look [3].
Sorry if this isn't what you expected to hear, but we're doing a big
effort to keep the Lubuntu overall looking nice, specially now we're
porting everything to Qt, using a new syntax, new apps new controls and
almost re-doing it from scratch.
Thanks for understanding.
[1] https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1013337
<https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1013337>
[2] https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1011980
<https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1011980>
[3] https://www.gnome-look.org/search?projectSearchText=lubuntu
<https://www.gnome-look.org/search?projectSearchText=lubuntu>

Post by Simon Quigley
Adding Rafael Laguna, our artwork guy.
I would personally love a dark theme, but from what I remember, that is
a thing of the past. Could you explain, Rafael?

Post by s***@riseup.net
I'm playing a bit with the themes and icons and i can't really

find

Post by Simon Quigley

Post by s***@riseup.net
a
nice dark theme. That also has themed the grey window borders.
Lubuntu-dark-panel isn't exactly dark.
I now have dark panel configured with the natura color theme and that
has a nice feel to it though the grey is still keeping it very bright.
And if i manually change the colors how do i then save the

theme so

Post by Simon Quigley

Post by s***@riseup.net
that
i can share my config?
I mean where should the theme be saved? When i press the

"create a

Post by Simon Quigley

Post by s***@riseup.net
theme archive .obt" button it wants me to select a directory where to
store it, why doesn't is in point already to the directory? What
directory should that be? Whatever location i choose, it does not
accept my choice.

--
Rafael Laguna
Graphics & UIX Design · www.rafaellaguna.net
<http://www.rafaellaguna.net>
Lubuntu Artwork Team · Ubuntu Design Team
--
Lubuntu-users mailing list
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<https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users>

--
Regards

[s***@riseup.net]

Post by Rafael Laguna
[1] https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1013337
[2] https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1011980
[3] https://www.gnome-look.org/search?projectSearchText=lubuntu

when i try do download

http://files.customize.org/download/files/61701/11CarbonGold.tar.gz

i get

Reported Unwanted Software Page!

This web page at files.customize.org has been reported to contain
unwanted software and has been blocked based on your security
preferences.

Unwanted software pages try to install software that can be deceptive
and affect your system in unexpected ways.


Not to speak about cloudflare captcha crap trying to fingerprint my
browser when using TOR...

The web has become a sad place... And yet another opensource related
website that participates in undermining of my privacy...


Way too much corporate and government interference.